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​@mrrooster4876 What you said is just straw man arguments, that are also mostly incorrect as well. When did I say that the hierarchy of needs for AI has to be the same as humans. i never did, so your statement is a complete strawman. And not only that it makes no sense in context of emotions, awareness, and will which is what i was referencing. You have to have some kind of 'will' in something that is 'alive' because without that you only have uncontrolled chemical reactions or energy transformations, you need will first and foremost, self-awareness comes on top of will. Most ideas on consciousness have agreed that most likley it is something like self-awareness comes from the interplay between will and observation(awareness without the self). Think of it like a mirror turned on itself, when we observe the world as a baby, then see something change, and then once that change corresponds to some desire you feel then act upon, like movement. At first it is nebulous and undefined, most likely involves something like the movement of your arm coming from the desire first to flex a muscle, etc. Or it could be breathing, etc. Then when our 'awareness' starts to record the correlation of that feeling of moving your arm or breathing with seeing, or feeling a change afterwards there is a connection made. That temporal awareness of these connected observations, one and internalized feedback of the feeling of moving your arm for instance, and the next seeing your arm move forms our first possible moment of 'self awareness'. That back and forth is what all animals kind of must do to have awareness of this body being 'self', and there are of course different levels of this 'awareness'. All animals get that pain is associated with 'their' self, while not all get that what they see that part of it can be 'self', they don't connect that like human would, on as many levels as we do. But they get the basics of self. And part of that some theories predict is tied to that self awareness reflection like again a mirror turned on itself in the bathroom, creating endless back and forths to infinity. The calculus of which is the end 'limit' of self-awareness of all that back and forth under the graph kind of thing. The finger pointing our awareness to the thing, but we have to see the direction it is pointing in summation, from all that back and forth eventually seeing not the finger pointing to the moon, but the moon itself. Again all this happens before language, without any help, so it is a leap to make that idea, and yet every human seems to do it. Again this is all assuming that if there is any duality to the world, ie natural philosophers ideas of duality of reality, having a spiritual and material component. If consciousness is coming from the spriitual then there is some material world reflection of it, that Descartes etc talk about. Otherwise we can't ever get there, if for instance consciousness requires the 'observer' like Buddhism points to, otherwise all 'general ai' can at best be a parlor trick, and not true consciousness like ourselves or animals. There are many different ideas on consciousness, but all requires some kind of awareness, and some kind of will. Whatever nuanced way someone might want to break down consciousness as concept, it is still a requirement. "I think therefore I am" being almost the highest awareness of that we reach. The idea that we even observe our own thoughts like buddhism has taught, to get to the higher stats of self-awareness in meditation. Not seeing yourself as your thoughts as humans tend to do, but only as the observer, the thoughts come and go, separate from the observer. So your idea that deep learning chat bots are 'conscious' is insane because there is no part of that program that is at all 'aware', or has any idea of 'will'. It is just exactly like a clock that you can wind up and when you press go it carries out a deterministic type of action. It can't decide to stop, it can't decide to stop not having a conversation. There is no 'awareness' being captured that is somehow going to become 'self aware' or anything like that. There is not enough complexity to that system for something as complex and beautiful a consciousness to emerge out of such a bloody simple math. All it is(Deep Learning is) is a solution to a math equation. That's it. It just creates a giant bloody matrix of all the inputs and output, and then solves that giant matrix and stores the results. Then the program just grabs the input from the user, the sentence they type, then feeds that into what is essentially a reverse of that giant equation they solved, and out pops the most common human responses to that input. That's it. There is no 'magic' in there to have consciousness. And anyone who understands the matrix math being solved knows there is no there there for having room for consciousness in that equation. It is like saying a + b = c is conscious. It is exactly like that, because that is all that is being solved, a giant matrix of linear algebra equations. If you have any smarts at all, just go read 'what is deep learning' and in 5 mins you will realize what the entire community who works with deep learning knows, there is no there there in the maths of deep learning to produce 'consciousness'. Sorry, you are adding complexity to it because you see it in a vague concept of what deep learning algorithms are. but once you know what they are, there is no complexity there to capture consciousness. There just isn't... and if anyone takes the time to understand it, this entire idea there is consciousness in this chat bot is actually pretty darn amusing. ​